by Kevin Barrett, VT Editor, for Press TV
Press TV has conducted an interview with Kevin Barrett, with Veteran’s Today, from Madison, about Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s admission that Hamas is now militarily and diplomatically stronger.
Watch the debate between Kevin Barrett and Aaron Klein at Press TV
The following is an approximate transcript of the interview.
Press TV: It’s not really customary for Israel to make the type of statements in this case in point coming from their Foreign Minister, who at some percentage the international community does not take seriously according to our guest Aaron Klein, radio host from New York. Your reaction.
Barrett: Well a lot of things he said are completely off the wall, but he is right that the international community regards Lieberman as a dangerous psychotic clown.
He is the leading advocate of finishing the Palestinian holocaust, of utterly destroying the Palestinian people, murdering the rest of them and chasing any who would flee out of Palestine. So yes Lieberman is a lunatic and we all know that.
But in terms of the way that Mr. Klein has framed what happened in this latest onslaught on Gaza he has given us the typical MOSSAD talking points that have very little to do with reality.
This conflict began not because Hamas attacked Israel, but rather this was yet another orchestrated Israeli attack on the civilians of Gaza – they call it ‘mowing the lawn’.
And it was launched using a false flag operation – the murder of three Israeli teenagers – and everyone is saying and has admitted that it was not Hamas or the Palestinians who murdered the three Israeli teenagers.
The three Israeli teenagers were killed by people involved with the Israeli government to provide a pretext to mobilize public opinion to attack Gaza. And this happens virtually every time Israel launches an attack on the Palestinians: there is a very convenient, quote, “terrorist attack” mobilizes public opinion in order to authorize and get the Israeli people behind their attacks on the civilians of Gaza.
They mowed down children playing soccer on a beach, they targeted ambulances, hospitals, refugee centers… this was international targeting of civilians… Even john Kerry laughed about their so-called surgical strikes, even John Kerry… No other country intentionally targets civilians the way Israel does. Israel has a national policy of shooting Palestinian children for sport – their snipers are routinely authorized to shoot Palestinian children for sport.
Press TV: Aaron Klein you have a question for Mr. Barrett?
Klein: When Hamas fires rockets from the Gaza strip into Tel Aviv – I was in Tel Aviv by the way – into the Jewish communities outside of the Gaza Strip, who is Hamas aiming at? Is Hamas aiming at military targets or are they firing those rockets indiscriminately with the goal of killing civilians.
Barrett: Hamas is firing relatively non-lethal rockets unfortunately and those rockets are not accurate…
Hamas forces have made every effort to target the Israeli military not the Israeli civilians and they succeeded.
In this latest conflict Hamas killed even by Israel’s count, a couple of civilians really by accident, according to Israel they killed 60 Israeli military people, Israeli soldiers, and by Hamas’s count they killed nearly 200 Israeli soldiers, whereas Israel slaughtered 2,000 Palestinian civilians.
More than 90 percent of the people Israel killed were civilians; 90 percent of the people Hamas killed were soldiers
Klein: What about the Palestinians who are used as human shields by Hamas, of using mosques of using schools to store rockets – answer that.
Barrett: This is a blood libel. This claim that the Palestinians are used as human shields is a complete fabrication and blood libel dreamed up by Israeli propagandists. The fact is that it is the Israelis who capture children and women and use them as human shields.
The Gaza Strip is so heavily populated that there is really nowhere you can go there that is not a civilian area; but there is no systematic intentional use of human shields by Hamas, quite the contrary.
The Israelis however, when they go into Gaza, grab women and children and use them as human shields and this has been abundantly reported all over the global media and I’m really surprised you haven’t seen this.
So the tactics of the two sides can be contrasted very clearly: Hamas ended up killing more than 90 percent soldiers – military targets; whereas the Israelis killed more than 90 percent civilians – they killed nearly 2,000 civilians and many of those were clearly intentionally targeted.
The UN gave 17 warnings in one case at a refugee center and the Israelis bombed it and killed 50 civilians inside there. The Israelis routinely shoot civilians with sniper fire; one Israeli sniper bragged about killing 13 children in one day. This is routine behavior by the Israelis and it doesn’t just happen when there’s a war on Gaza, this stuff happens every day every week.
The 90 percent figure for the proportion of Palestinian deaths is claimed by human rights organizations and international media.
Press TV: Regarding Israel’s role in supporting ISIL and other terrorist groups Mr. Klein agrees that this was a short-sighted policy of the Israeli government and he levels accusations against Iran also of funding and supporting Jihadist groups in the region giving as examples, Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. What are your views on this?
Barrett: Hezbollah has been fighting terrorism on two fronts: it is fighting the terrorism of the Israelis, which is state-sponsored terrorism – as I mentioned earlier Israel has a systematic policy of sniper murdering Palestinian children. This is fully documented by a British medical journal; and Chris Hedges eyewitness account of Israeli soldiers shooting them for sport.
Hezbollah is also fighting this extremist Jihadist Takfiri terror of these neo-Wahabi lunatics in ISIS. These people are just as bad as the Zionists, their head chopping is just about a bad as the Zionist’s sport shooting of children.
And Hezbollah is a legitimate national resistance organization that was created to push the Israeli occupiers out of Lebanon and that is absolutely legitimate.
In fact, resistance against occupation is not legitimate, but in many cases it is considered mandatory. If your country is occupied you have not only the right, but the duty to fight to chase those invaders and occupiers out, just like the French resistance did in World War Two against the Nazis.
Palestinian resistance has every right to fight to push the Zionist invaders out of Palestine; and Hezbollah has every right to fight to push the Zionist invaders out of Lebanon.
So, Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization it is a resistance organization. It is fighting terrorist groups such as this so-called Islamic State, which is really the Un-Islamic State or US, created and funded by the Zionists themselves and by the US, trained at CIA bases in Jordan and unleashed on the region in order to create chaos to break up all these countries including Iraq into pieces along sectarians lines in the strategic interests of Israel.
Press TV: Avigdor Lieberman said, “The hypocrisy must end, that is the only way to establish an international center to fight the phenomenon that threatens us all”.
What about Israel’s nuclear program?
Barrett: Israel has been threatening every world capital not only in the Middle East, but even in Europe with their ‘Samson option’. They say they are going to nuke Europe, to hit the capitals of Europe with nuclear weapons as well as the capitals of the Middle East if they ever feel existentially threatened.
Israel is the biggest terrorist state on Earth; they are a nuclear rogue state – everyone knows that. They have hundreds of nuclear weapons; they’ve been involved in nuclear theft and proliferation building biological weapons with South Africa as well as nuclear weapons with South Africa. Israel is by far the biggest rogue state and terrorist group on Earth.
Dr. Kevin Barrett, a Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist is one of America’s best-known critics of the War on Terror.
He is the host of TRUTH JIHAD RADIO; a hard driving weekly radio show funded by listener donations at Patreon.com and FALSE FLAG WEEKLY NEWS (FFWN); an audio-video show produced by Tony Hall, Allan Reese, and Kevin himself. FFWN is funded through FundRazr.
He also has appeared many times on Fox, CNN, PBS, and other broadcast outlets, and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications.
Dr. Barrett has taught at colleges and universities in San Francisco, Paris, and Wisconsin; where he ran for Congress in 2008. He currently works as a nonprofit organizer, author, and talk radio host.
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