My apologies if someone beat me to the punch on posting this latest Pew Research Poll showing that 1 out of 3 Post-911 Veterans now view Iraq & Afghanistan as MISTAKES and a WASTE OF MONEY AND LIVES.
The ratio appears to only differ slightly from how a growing number of civilians are now able to connect the dots between over a trillion dollars wasted on wars and the melt down of the US Economy and growing UNEMPLOYMENT.
ROBERT L. HANAFIN, Major, U.S. Air Force-Retired, U.S. Civil Service-Retired, Veterans Issues Editor, VT News
Poll: 1 in 3 vets sees Iraq, Afghan wars as wastes
By ROBERT BURNS – AP National Security Writer
One in three U.S. veterans of the post-9/11 military believes the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not worth fighting, and a majority think that after 10 years of combat America should be focusing less on foreign affairs and more on its own problems, according to an opinion survey released last Wednesday.
The findings highlight a dilemma for the Obama administration and Congress as they struggle to shrink the government’s huge budget deficits and reconsider defense priorities while trying to keep public support for remaining involved in Iraq and Afghanistan for the longer term.
Nearly 4,500 U.S. troops have died in Iraq and about 1,700 in Afghanistan. Combined war costs since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have topped $1 trillion.
I believe it has been recognized that the U.S. Economy remains a Casualty of War since at least 17 July 2005 that’s over six years ago. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan already cost U.S. taxpayers, directly or indirectly on loan, $314 billion, and the Congressional Budget Office projected additional expenses of perhaps $450 billion by 2015. That could make the combined campaigns, especially the war in Iraq, the most expensive military effort in the last 60 years, causing even some conservative experts to criticize the open-ended commitment to an elusive goal.
The concern is that the soaring costs, given little weight before now, could play a growing role in U.S. strategic decisions because of the fiscal impact. Before Osama bin Laden was assassinated, Michael Scheuer, a former counter-terrorism official at the CIA who led the pursuit of bin Laden and retired in 2005 after writing two books critical of the Clinton and Bush administrations said that: “Osama (bin Laden) doesn’t have to win; he will just bleed us to death. Bin Laden was…well on his way to doing [that]” six years before his death.
The current poll results presented by the Pew Research Center portray post-9/11 veterans as proud of their work, scarred by warfare and convinced that the American public has little understanding of the problems that wartime service has created for military members and their families.
The survey also showed that post-9/11 veterans are more likely than Americans as a whole to disapprove of President Barack Obama’s performance as commander in chief. They also are more likely than earlier generations of veterans to have no religious affiliation.
I believe it is questionable how this, or any other poll, determined how Post 911 Vets call themselves Republicans. Simple criticism of Obama continuing the Pentagon policies of George W. Bush does not mean younger Vets are registered Republicans. In fact, as the homecoming experience of our Viet Nam War generation reflects the vast number of Vets returning from Viet Nam were if anything apolitical not trusting in either religion or any political party.
I believe political awareness or even caring and paying attention came as our generation aged. Yes, the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans groups who have formed since 911 tend to be more politically minded than past generations, however playing politics crosses ideological positions. However, I do believe that our military officer corps tends to be more conservative than the NCO, and especially the lower enlisted. That said, it is difficult to ascertain the political affiliation or leanings of our NCOs or lower enlisted due to Hatch Act, and privacy issues.
Our military tends to also be overall a conservative leaning institution by necessity but that does not mean Vets of any generation are going to immediately be politically active once they are no longer under control of the Pentagon. I still believe that the political activism or action of younger Vets will be more a factor of age and maturity rather than their veteran status.
The Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan organization that studies attitudes and trends, called the study the first of its kind. The results were based on two surveys conducted between late July and mid-September. One polled 1,853 veterans, including 712 who had served in the military after 9/11 but are no longer on active duty. Of the 712 post-9/11 veterans, 336 served in Iraq or Afghanistan. The other polled 2,003 adults who had not served in the military.
Nearly half of post-9/11 veterans said [multiple] deployments strained their relationship with their spouses, and a similar share reported problems with their children. On the other hand, 60 percent said they and their families benefited financially from having served abroad in a combat zone. Asked for a single word to describe their experiences, the war veterans offered a mixed picture: “rewarding,” ”nightmare,” ”eye opening,” ”lousy” according to the Pew Research.
There are about 98,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, where the conflict began with a U.S.-led invasion on Oct. 7, 2001. Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 on getting out of Iraq and curtailing the military campaign in Afghanistan. He is on track to have all U.S. troops out of Iraq by the end of this year, and in July he announced that he would pull 10,000 troops out of Afghanistan this year and 23,000 more by next September.
I believe that with the exception of young Vet groups like Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) that fielded primarily Democrat candidates (via their PAC VoteVets) has until recently had closer ties with the Democrat Party.
IAVA took point in endorsing the Obama buildup in Afghanistan while Peace Vets and Military Families that were part of the liberal base of the Democrat Party cautiously criticized any escalation in Afghanistan.
Once realization set in that love ones would simply end up deploying from one war zone to another the focus of opposition and questioning shifted away from Iraq to Afghanistan.
Despite US troops continuing to deploy to Iraq. We at VT believe that unless Obama does something significant like pulling most US troops out of Afghanistan now, Obama can write off much of the liberal base of the Democrat party. The same reasons the Democrats lost Congress will return to haunt Obama in 2012 as those opposed to wasting more money on Iraq and Afghanistan sit the 2012 election out.
The Pew survey found that veterans are ambivalent about the net value of the wars, although they generally were more positive about Afghanistan, which has been a more protracted but less deadly conflict for U.S. forces. One-third of post-9/11 veterans said neither war was worth the sacrifices; that was the view of 45 percent in the separate poll of members of the general public.
Fifty percent of veterans said Afghanistan was worth it, whereas the poll of civilians put it at 41 percent. Among veterans, 44 percent said Iraq was worth it. That compares with 36 percent in the poll of civilians.
Of the surveyed former service members who were seriously wounded or knew someone who was killed or seriously wounded, 48 percent said the war in Iraq was worth fighting, compared with 36 percent of those veterans who had no personal exposure to casualties.
Exposure to casualties had an even larger impact on attitudes toward the war in Afghanistan. Fifty-five percent of those exposed to casualties said Afghanistan has been worth the cost to the U.S., whereas 40 percent of those who were not exposed to casualties held that same view.
The Pew survey results found “isolationist inclinations” among post-9/11 war veterans. About 6-in-10 said the United States should pay less attention to problems overseas and instead concentrate on problems at home. In a Pew survey conducted earlier this year, a similar share of the general public agreed.
The survey also reflected what many view as a troublesome cultural gap between the military and the general public. Although numerous polls have shown that Americans hold the military in high regard, the respondents in the Pew research acknowledged a lack of understanding of what military life entails.
I believe it is this very cultural gap created by the All Volunteer Force that has given not only children of the elite, but upper and lower middle class American youth in general a get out of the wars free card simply by choosing to not volunteer.
Using the same VOLUNTEERS over and over and over is not holding our military in high regard but patronizing and exploiting those who VOLUNTEER for multiple deployments. In the future, if the number of VOLUNTEERS shrink to the point where the draft would be given serious consideration the cultural gap between those who refuse to serve and those who volunteer to defend those who refuse to serve will widen to the point that our All Volunteer Force will be permanently broken and isolated from the rest of American society even more than they have been.
Only 27 percent of adult civilians said the public understands the problems facing those in uniform, and the share of veterans who said so is even lower — 21 percent.
I think the wrong question is being asked. What percentage of adult civilians really have a desire to relate to, let alone understand, those who volunteer for military service.
What is most important is finding out the real reasons why the American public does not understand the problems facing those in uniform.
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Prevalence of overweight increasing in young children from low-income families.
Life Science Weekly December 28, 2004 2004 DEC 28 – (NewsRx.com & NewsRx.net) — The prevalence of overweight increased from 1989 to 2000 in children aged 2-4 years from low-income families, according to a new study. go to web site cdc growth charts
Children who are overweight are at risk for diabetes, gall stones, sleep apnea, and high blood pressure. As adults, they are also at an increased risk for coronary heart disease and atherosclerosis, compared with those not overweight as adolescents.
Bettylou Sherry, PhD, RD, from the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and colleagues examined the change in the prevalence of overweight and underweight in children ages 2-4 years from low-income families participating in federally funded programs. Their findings were published in the December 2004 issue of the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine. cdcgrowthchartsnow.net cdc growth charts
The researchers used state-specific data for participants in the PedNSS program in 1989, 1994 and 2000. They defined overweight as a body mass index (BMI) for age in the 95th percentile or higher, and underweight as BMI for age in less than the fifth percentile, following CDC growth charts.
The overall trend in the study showed an increased prevalence of overweight in all sex, age, and race/ethnicity groups between 1989 and 2000. Of the 30 states included in the study, 28 had an overweight prevalence of more than 10%, compared to 11 states in 1989. Also in 2000, three states had overweight prevalences of more than 15-20%, while two had prevalences of more than 20%. During the study period, underweight decreased, with nine states in 1989 and 23 states in 2000 reporting a prevalence of five% or less. The researchers did not find a geographic concentration in overweight prevalence.
“In addition, national data representative of the U.S. population also showed increases in overweight prevalence over time, indicating that overweight is a national problem, not a problem exclusively associated with publicly funded programs or low income,” wrote the researchers.
“Overweight is increasing and underweight is decreasing in our study population. We need to expand prevention and intervention efforts to reverse the rising trend of overweight in the United States,” the authors wrote (Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2004; 158:1116-1124; archpediatrics.com).
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